PostgreSQL vs MySQL with Rails
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Every once in a while, there is a short debate about using MySQL or PostgreSQL with Ruby on Rails as a database server. If you know me at all, you’ll know that I am a strong proponent of using PostgreSQL. Putting some logic in the database is something that my last few jobs have completely trained me to do.
For example, I try to develop applications under the assumption that it will never be the only interface to the data set that it uses. In a way, I use the database as a part of the model and don’t put the reliance on the model in my Rails application.
For example, take the following example of updating a bunch of records that meet a certain requirement.
Items.find(:all, :conditions => "type_id='2'") do |item|
item.x = "foo"
item.save
end
Is this method quicker than running a simple UPDATE query on the database? With a smaller data set, this might not be big enough of a concern. But, what if your database has a million rows that meets this criteria? Does it make sense to find them all first and then loop through the recordset one million times and call one million updates? A few problems might occur, one big potential issue is that it is likely that your application might go beyond the timeout of your server and there is no rollback with this transaction.
So, what is the best Rails-way to solve this problem?
If the request takes too long and times out, how do you ROLLBACK your updates automatically? I know how to do this with PostgreSQL (quite simply), but am curious as to how this is addressed by MySQL proponents.
Let’s take another scenario. Perhaps you have a table called foobars. Every time you INSERT or UPDATE this table, you want to add a record into table foobarlogs that shows what was added or what fields were specifically changed. With PostgreSQL, you could build a trigger that compares the existing record with the new values and then adds the differences into the foobarlogs table. This might not be something that people encounter, but for some systems, it’s vital that you know when something happened, by whom, and what exactly happened.
Step forward into the future. Client needs a new interface built for desktop usage. Yes, you could use Ruby with wxWidgets and build a nice multi-platform application. In your code, you deal with the same database. With your trigger in place, you don’t need to do anything but call it like you did with Rails.
Yes, MySQL is getting advanced features, but its still a while before you’re going to get to use pl/Ruby for building your database functions.
Wouldn’t this follow more along the lines of the DRY principal than doing this in the Rails code?
- A curious PostgreSQL-fan
PostgreSQL, all the features you need next year, available last year.
On a side note, here is a good explanation of how PostgreSQL is useful for certain application requirements.
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yup. I am myself a die-hard fan of postgres, and the reason being the same which you mentioned here. Now the performance difference is no more there between MySql and Postgres (almost). Postgres is available now natively on Windows too, that too free. Last and foremost, there is extension which makes postgres almost look like oracle from an application program point of view. Now, what one would else want? bye :-) Ashish Ranjan ashishwave@yahoo.com
Thanks for the help on picking database, Robby! I will trust your opinion.
By the way: I hope this article is not too out of date? (It is just two years old. What could have changed!?)
Daniel,
PostgreSQL is still our primary database engine for all of our client work. It works well with Ruby on Rails.
Good article. I agree that in a multi-application environment, putting restrictions and rules at the database level makes more sense and is more DRY-friendly.
However, I feel like there are a couple of points you missed:
1.) The whole idea behind ActiveRecord is to allow the programmer to do Ruby rather than SQL. Yes, SQL is necessary and by no means evil, but putting too many things at the database level leads to less maintainable code (at least in my opinion).
2.) Putting rules at the database level is good if multiple applications share the same database. However, many people are less concerned about sharing a database among different applications and are more concerned with how easy it is to switch to a different database vendor. For example, what if I need to switch from Postgres to Oracle? In this case, keeping logic at the application layer makes it more portable.
Good article. I agree that in a multi-application environment, putting restrictions and rules at the database level makes more sense and is more DRY-friendly.
However, I feel like there are a couple of points you missed:
1.) The whole idea behind ActiveRecord is to allow the programmer to do Ruby rather than SQL. Yes, SQL is necessary and by no means evil, but putting too many things at the database level leads to less maintainable code (at least in my opinion).
2.) Putting rules at the database level is good if multiple applications share the same database. However, many people are less concerned about sharing a database among different applications and are more concerned with how easy it is to switch to a different database vendor. For example, what if I need to switch from Postgres to Oracle? In this case, keeping logic at the application layer makes it more portable.
Robby, thanks for this piece. I too love PostgreSQL and use it in production in third project now.
I’ve written a small piece with some additional hints on how to use constraints and partial indexes… For anyone interested, please see below.
On Ruby on Rails, PostgreSQL and Acts as Paranoid
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Hi Robby, I have an existing PostgreSQL database that i need now to access web wise. I’ve chosen Ruby on Rails as a neat Framework to get me up and running quickly.
The problem i’m coming across is the Database schema. I don’t know what constraints Ruby needs to operate. When i do a simple scaffold in my controller, list functtion works, but the create one fails because i do not have an id_seq column. Is this id column essential?
I guess what i’m looking for is how to import my existing postgreSQL db to Ruby on rails. Any help is appreciated, thank you in advance. A new-comer, jan
I am a PostgreSQL convert!
After using MySQL because of its default support in rails, I began to see the light: MySQL is only faster than PostgreSQL using MyISAM; PostgreSQL knocks the socks off of MySQL everywhere else through its advanced joins, indexing, and memory configurability.
Can’t wait for PostgreSQL 8.3 to come out (tomorrow – Feb 4th)!
I wrote down a lot of the stuff I found out in WikiVS: MySQL vs PostgreSQL and hopefully it’ll help someone else.
Also, feel free to correct any mistakes I’ve made!
Thanks David for the link and comparison guide it definitely is complete and shined the light on using Postgres. I am a devote Postgres user now!
Thanks David for the link and comparison guide it definitely is complete and shined the light on using Postgres. I am a devote Postgres user now!
I wonder if there’s some way Rails could use the capabilities of Postgres to put the “application layer logic” into the database? So to the developer, Rails was doing all the work, but if they wanted to use the Postgres database Rails generated with a different application, the schema would already be as solid as your Rails model. It just seems that as long as Rails is doing all the work to interface with the database, it should be using that database to it’s full capacity.
Robby,
You hit the nail on the head:
If your application is successful the data it accumulates will become valuable in its own right. Once that happens, somebody somewhere will get a bright idea about how to use that data. If you haven’t made the schema’s referential integrity airtight then I feel sorry for you. Other users will break your application’s expectations of how the data should hang together, and good luck ever getting it straightened out.
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Thanks David for the link and comparison guide it definitely is complete and shined the light on using Postgres. I am a devote Postgres user now!
But, what if your database has a million rows that meets this criteria? Does it make sense to find them all first and then loop through the recordset one million times and call one million updates?
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But, what if your database has a million rows that meets this criteria? Does it make sense to find them all first and then loop through the recordset one million times and call one million updates?
Thanks David for the link and comparison guide it definitely is complete and shined the light on using Postgres. I am a devote Postgres user now!
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1、エル?金?贝勒だった 史上最赤 ブーツ も悲運のスターのジョーダン スニーカー一つで、同時に贝勒22番ユニホームを保有している人の代表だった。レイカーズは、1958年のドラフトに入団した贝勒飞天縦にnike ウエアになるの球市中止を救ってくれた彼がいレイカーズも見受けられない。住めないと手を握ってジェリー?イェン-韦斯はウィアー折損アディダス プレデター 特別チェンバレンにしてきた贝勒優勝から遠のいた。1971 ~ 72、シーズン序盤、贝勒が突然引退した。しかし、引退後の同年、レイカーズは優勝。後日、贝勒ハンジョン快船は大政策を総括する。現在、22番ユニホームもレイカーズホーム上空ではためく。
第ひとペアの「サッカー靴」 資料によブーツ キッズ
ると記されていた最初のひとペアのスニーカー 通販「サッカー靴」が誕生したのは1526年、もちろんその年代は人はいないだろう。サッカー専門の準備をしているため、サッカーナイキ ジャケットシューズをが歴史の1ページをされてもまさにこの靴の主人は違う意味ではなく、英国が鐸(王朝の都ヘンリー8世、こちf50 スパイクらの王様の好み兵器、スポーツ、狩り、2009年4月にロンドン塔の歴史展示イベントで、も出展した彼に所蔵されているサッカーの星。そういう事からもヘンリー8世8、学問(当時の貨幣単位)のこの一足の节目したサッカーシューズが、「サッカーシューズ」という言叶の専門の属性ではない。
「サッカー靴」のスタートします 19世紀通販 ブーツ半ばから後半にかけて、サッカーの運動は、民間の皇スニーカー 人気室で新しい段階にまで発展し、つまり現代サッカーの段階に入った。1863年10月26日、英国人がロンドン強か旅館马森街」を設adidas ジャケット立した世界初のサッカー協会は、イングランドサッカー協会だった。1904年に5月21日、国際サッカー協会国際サッカー連盟(fifa)が、英語イニシャルが設立され、のサッカーボールを送るキャンペーン」が世Nike サッカーシューズ界の範囲を建て始め統一のルールを基準としている。保有して多くの公式試合に続いて、サッカーシューズの発展も共にから、最初のサッカーシューズなかったり、統一の規定が多く、靴では重かるたうわべの材料も変わって、そこで试合でも時々浮上するスポーツ选手の靴姿が合わずにけがをしたりで対?だった
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